Residents' Community Forum
Your Say - Church Point Carpark (Precinct 1)
March 18 from 4-6pm - Scotland
Community Forum is an opportunity for all Offshore residents to ask
questions or comment on the two Options for parking presented in the
Survey of Scotland Island and Western Foreshore Households regarding
Church Point Plan of Management (Precinct 1).
will be 2 speakers presenting information about these Options: one on
the ground level only option and the other on the two level decked
option. Following this presentation there will be time for
everyone to participate in the discussion.
Forum goes for 2 hours and questions or comments will be limited to 5
minutes per person so that everyone has a chance to speak and answers
can be provided.
Mark Eriksson, Landscape Architect from Pittwater Council will be
present to answer questions or comments from the audience.
Please note that no
decisions are being made at this Forum, rather it is an opportunity for everyone to voice
their concerns and/or ask questions and have a respectful
Come along and participate in the
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Pittwater Offshore Wine Syndicate
At last! The tasting notes and the price list for our next tasting on April 1st.
my expert eye over the notes (and the prices) leads me to want to order
all of them, but sensibility has cut in, my wallet is thin and my
manager is looking darkly....
Winter is traditionally a time of
roasted meats and full wines, so take a special look at the Ballast
Stone Shiraz - sure to be fabulous!
So: The tasting is to be held on Sunday
April 1st from 3pm at the cellars, I mean home, of Julian and Nathalie
Muir, 58 (Lot 172) Richard Road. If you are new
to our tastings, the map below will show you the Muir residence.
The list of wines and the tasting notes can be accessed by clicking HERE
Bring a tasting glass, some food to share and a good friend.
the meantime, please remember to make a note in your diary, ask your
neighbours and friends to keep the date in mind and clear out your
cellar ready for the next offering from the Wine Syndicate!
If you want
further information, you could ring:
Gaal 9979 9141
Gaines 9979 2070
4449 <- Tasting to be held here
Purvis 9979 9667
Greg Roberts 9979
You can invite your neighbours by suggesting they visit
where they can sign up to receive our quarterly
'notice of tasting'
Pink Water Taxis for Offshore Functions
you have a larger-than-usual function coming up? Maybe an
21st Birthday Party, Engagement Party or Wedding Reception?
Definitely don't have enough floor-space for them all to stay the night?
We would welcome an opportunity to discuss how we might be of
a heads-up, we can organise to cover one-off events, particularly for
the locals. An extra boat or some hours after midnight are
achievable with a bit of notice.
If it happens to be neither
efficient nor cost-effective for one type of vessel to do everything,
we happily work alongside the local ferries and charter vessels
(L.DUCK, AMELIA K., RELIANCE and BANKSIA) to provide what you need.
For Functions and Charter bookings, please email
email@example.com with your queries or call Rod on 0404 47 47
Yours aye - Pink Water Taxis
Scotland Island Community Garden
Sunday March the 12th Peter Ruderford the “Garden Guru” form Kimbriki
ECO House and Garden Centre ran a fantastic workshop on Scotland
The workshop was sponsored by Pittwater Council
who kindly donated a free compost bin to this fabulous project. The
workshop was full of information on how to start a home compost and
also looked at the benefits and rewards of organic gardenning.
Island is in the process of starting a Community Garden and it’s all
very exciting. This give’s us a place to grow fresh organic food
and be apart of a group of people who can come together and
ideas and enjoy a community space. Max Peet who runs the beautiful
water colour painting classes on the Island has kindly donated part of
his back yard for the community garden project. Peter Ruderford has
inspected the space and thinks the existing soil is great.
So far we have had great interest from the community but we need more
hands on deck. Currently
we are meeting at the community garden site at 4.30 to 6pm Friday
afternoons. Every body is welcome.
you would like to be involved in this wonderful opportunity please come
along or for more information call Tamie 0402 583 230
to the Editor
Car Parking Options
just opened this email and went to the Survey Monkey. I do not feel it
is appropriate to complete it at this time. The Council/SIRA are asking
folks to make some very important decisions and given two options from
which to decide. I couldn't get past the first question as I
unwilling to choose between a 1 vs. 2 storey car park. As
the survey presents a misleading and incorrect bivariate option. There
are more than these two choices and the survey taker cannot proceed
without choosing one of them. If I could I would
"neither" or "do nothing right now, I'm just fine," or "how about some
real information with which I can make a decision?", or "let's grab
some other spaces by redesigning what we've got."
I, for one, am
not willing to make any decisions until I know what current and
projected demand are and where those numbers come from. From
point of view, the parking fee has improved the parking situation
enormously and I am perfectly willing to live with the status quo for
now. I talk regularly with many folks that live offshore, and
most of them feel that there have been enormous strides in alleviating
congestion since the fee was imposed. However, I don't talk
everyone and am sure that there are folks out there who are less than
satisfied. Who are they? I can imagine that shift
really struggle— are there more clever and less expensive ways to
accommodate their situation? Have we mitigated the problem to
extent that we are primarily stressed on weekends and
How much do we reasonably expect demand to rise? What are the changing
demographics of the island? Some households may expect their demand to
expand (children learning to drive/getting jobs, taking on house
mates), while others may expect their demand to contract (children
moving away and establishing independent lives, downsizing,
How many folks use their homes full time vs how many use only on
weekends/holidays? Will this remain the same or change? What
sorts of commercial enterprises are there on the island, how many are
licensed for what they do, what sorts of demands on parking do they
The arguments for and against contain no data
regarding current or predicted demand. How can we make
without having this information? I do hope that this sort of
information is what is provided during the information session and I
strongly advise that no one fill in the survey until we have the facts
Church Point Car park.
To the Editor,
believe Church Points’ vista to be one of Pittwaters’ true gems. This
historic precinct has sat virtually undisturbed for generations, free
from high rise or overt beachfront development. I feel we need to be
very careful about what decisions are made concerning this beautiful
piece of Pittwater waterfront.
When the residents, supported by
Pittwater Council fought for Currawong the fight was about conserving
our waterfront, about what it looks like, about what it will look like
in the future. They aren’t going to be making any more of it!
people arrive at Church Point they all appreciate the sleepy unspoiled
beauty of the place. They come to get away from the concrete jungle
Sydney has in part become. They come to admire the vista, not our car
parks, the coastline, not the infill.
The view from the water is
also uncomplicated and welcoming, a two story floodlit concrete car
park will destroy the historic beauty of the area from both the shore
and the water.
Pittwater is not Darling Harbour and shouldn’t be treated like it…it’s
different up here, smaller in scale, slower in pace.
changes that are about to be made are made forever. I feel we
need to be very careful that we don’t make the wrong decisions just for
convenience sake, just for the sake of parking some cars. Is that the
most important thing to consider in this instance? To build an oversize
car park would show a disregard for what many of us believe Pittwater
to be, a special place, a different place, a unique place. Not a place
of oversize, concrete, two story, waterfront carparks.
saving of Currawong, once again it comes down to legacy, by doing this,
are we making Pittwater a more beautiful and better place for the
generations to come? Or is there another way? At the very least we need
to give this development a very great deal of insightful consideration.
- Think before you click …
from Jenny Cullen
is a special place
- it’s beautiful – the way the land meets the
water is a treat whether you’re coming by boat or car,
- it’s been the gateway to offshore since first
- it’s open to the public, unlike most of the
waterfront towards Mona Vale,
also a carpark - Yes, we need more car parking, but let’s do this as
lightly as possible – not “They paved paradise and put up a
proposed two-storey carpark would be a large, concrete parking station
approximately 100m long plus ramps x 18m deep x 3.7m high.
You can’t hide this!
want a two-level carpark outside your home?
can we claim to be environmentally responsible people who love the
natural beauty of this area and also spoil it with a big two-level
How sure are
we about costs?
Church Point Plan of Management is the biggest development project ever
undertaken by Pittwater Council. We all know that costs often blow out
on big projects, especially government ones! The estimates given in the
2009 plan and now in the survey were just that … estimates.
User pays …
forever …but how much?
is not yet any cap on what we can be charged for combined boat and
carpark fees. The Church Point Plan of Management states, “Annual fee
charges are indicative only and will need to be confirmed at completion
of works” (p71). Surely we need the fees settled before work starts,
LOBBY NOW FOR
A CAP –
use the survey comment box, contact Council, councillors, SIRA and WPCA
committees. How much are you willing to pay each year? $400? $500?
But will car
stickers cost twice as much without the two-level carpark?
survey states that without the two-level carpark “fees may increase to
$575 +CPI as per the CPPOM”. This figure is based on a plan
large infill requiring a very substantial seawall, so very expensive.
These are not the only two options!
headed our way? Do you want Church Point as a transport hub?
- We could cap fees and work within a budget!
- We could wait for the money to build up –
could develop a cheaper plan. There is an alternative plan which also
provides a similar number of ground level car spaces but with less
infill and so less cost.
heard that plans are afoot for the Gosford ferry to add a further stop
past Palm Beach. Palm Beach residents have long been complaining about
the number of Central Coast commuters who leave cars, utes and vans
around Palm Beach wharf. What if the ferry continued to Church Point? A
leased car space might be worth it for a Central Coast commuter - and
written off as a business expense. Or, for just the price of a permit,
they’d have the same rights as you.
Will a leased
carpark remove cars which are now in the general parking areas?
Not necessarily as leasers may be people who are currently using
How good a
deal is leasing your own car space?
since the costs are estimates, so are the fees. With CPI increases
since 2009, the estimate for a leased space is already over $5,000 p.a.
If a leased space is cheaper than the marinas, some people who are
currently not using Church Point will come from the marinas. But for a
bit more money at a marina, you also get a secure boat space and a hot
shower! If it’s the same or dearer than the marina, people won’t come
and we could have a white elephant. Then who’s paying?
How many more
spaces does the two-level carpark provide than the current ground-level
– The current CPPOM concept plan has 68 general car spaces in the
ground-level only carpark, and the proposed two-level carpark has a
total of 120 spaces – 60 general spaces above and 60 private spaces
below. The two-level carpark actually loses 8 general spaces due to
ramps and structure, so the two level option provides 52 more spaces
than the CPPOM ground-level plan.
Who will use
the new general car spaces?
How do we ensure that providing extra spaces doesn’t just attract more
extra general parking spaces are open to the public through either Pay
and Display or the Church Point Parking Permit. The Catch 22 is that
the easier it is to park, the more tourists, visitors and extra cars
will come. Council states clearly they want more parking to encourage
general public to come. Great for the Waterfront Store and any business
at the Pasadena site, but no guarantee we’ll be better off except at
the two-level carpark?
is opposed by both Church Point resident associations. It has been
rejected twice by West Pittwater Community Association AGM’s. The Plan
of Management only says it is to be investigated as a way of raising
money to build the rest. Now it’s up to you.
preserve the charm of the Point and keep our options open by rejecting
the two-level carpark and pursuing the most cost-effective,
aesthetically acceptable ground-level only plan.
to those who developed and circulated the carpark survey.
well designed and it’s good democracy in action – clearly stated,
simple and to the point. Everyone is invited to voice a preference so
that, acting as a community, we can make a decision that will resolve
I urge any readers who haven’t yet formed a view on
this important matter to attend the Community Forum on Sunday afternoon
to hear the arguments again, and maybe to make a contribution, before
completing the survey.
It’s your carpark. Make a difference by choosing your
Peninsular Music Club
member or renew your membership now for 2012
Concerts are held at Loquat Valley Prep School, 1977 Pittwater Rd.
A sparkling wine supper is served after each performance
Send cheques made payable to PMC
to The Hon Secretary Peninsula Music Club
16/67 Lynwood Ave, Dee Why 2099
Enquires Phone 9999-1937 or 9972-3556 Tickets also available
at the door.
Tickets $20 and Students 18 and under $10 or free when accompanied by
- Friday 23rd March:
Percy and the Dame Piano and Voice Duo
- Friday 25th May: The
Melbourne Piano Trio
- Sunday 24th June:
Accordian Alfresco Quintet
- Friday 7th September:
People’s Choice Winner 2012 Sydney International Piano Competition
- Friday 9th November:
Violin and Harp Duo
A set of keys on a pink
carabiner. One post box key, one gold coloured key, one key with a
green rubber thingy on it and some other smaller silver keys.
Lost on Wednesday 7 March 2012.
I have lost a wooden fountain pen on the same day. Not sure if I would
have dropped it at the same time, but may have. If anyone has seen it I
would really appreciate it being returned.
Please call Rachel on 0406 239 946
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